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Is it possible to fill a user field (for ex. "Dianame") by batch with the file name (for ex. "IMGP4711")? Its useful or necessary to rename the pictures to show them in a meaningful way in other programs than ThumbsPlus. To save the original names I would like to write them in a ThumbsPlus user field.

I think the only way to fill user fields automatically is at thumbnail creation time, when user fields that have exactly the same name as an IPTC or EXIF field, are filled with the contents of that same-named field in the image header. For example, if your database has a userfield named 'Creator' and your image has the value 'Ecki' in its 'Creator' IPTC-field, then 'Ecki' will be copied into the Creator userfield when you make a thumbnail for that image.

In fact, maybe you could use that functionality as a work-around..:

  • Use the Image | Batch Edit Metadata function to copy the filename into a metadata field of the image itself (use the 'Get Value From' button to get 'Image Info', 'File name').
  • Afterwards, re-make the thumbnail. Be sure to have a user field in your database that has exactly the same name as the metadata field that you used to store the filename in step 1, so that it will be copied into the database automatically.

ps: If your images were created by a digital camera, it may already be storing the original filename somewhere in the EXIF data.

at startup, the left pane has no tree or my galleries. it is only showing thumbnail previews.

Do you see a tab named "Preview" in or above that left pane? If so, hover your mouse pointer approximately 1 milimeter above it, and see if the pointer changes into a double arrow, indicating that there's a separation bar that you can move. Drag that bar up or down and chances are that your tree will re-appear.

General Discussion / Re: How to "get started"
« on: 2019-08-10 15:05:49 »
I have a very large number of scanned 35mm color slides (i.e., no useful "metadata" regarding the original source).

Which image file format have these been saved in?

I have them grouped in different folders, but I want to tag them with a hierarchical-style "index" so I can find individual dates, individuals, and other subjects.

ThumbsPlus allows you to enter keywords and annotations in the database, and to copy that information into the metadata of the image files themselves (if their format suits that purpose). ThumbsPlus does not support hierarchies of data (other than in the folder structure of course).

When I'm finished I'd like to be able to find slides with "Dana" (my daughter) as one identifying point.  Add to that I'd also like to add ("1972" or "1973-1974" or "Guam" or any number of other attributes.
I would add these attributes to the slides by selecting them from a group/folder and tagging them with the identifying information.

An easy and practical approach is often to name the image files after their date taken, in YYYYMMDD-nnn format (nnn being a counter for when multiple images were taken the same day), so that you can simply sort them alphabetically to find images from a certain year, month or date range. Then, depending on their quantity, store them in folders named "1972" or "1972\01" through "1972\12". Then select images and assign identifying keywords such as names, locations, et cetera.

There are "Keywords" and "Categories" but much of the information is expected to come from the metadata of a JPEG photogram, not a scanned slide.

What do you mean by photogram? Will you attach metadata to the scanned slides themselves or not?

Can somebody give some basic starting information?  (I don't know if this forum sends notifications to my email, so if you send it to, that would help.)

Have you tried the Notify button above your message?

Launch TP5 and go to Options | Preferences | Startup.

Was the correct database file defined under 'Initial Database' ?

I don't think there's any such option in ThumbsPlus 7, but if you are using a regular .TD4 database (which is really a regular .MDB database) , I'd recommend that you open the database in MDB Viewer Plus (freeware from to examine and edit your user field entries.

My pleasure, I hope you figure out what the problem is! It might be a setting in the mouse driver, or even the mouse driver itself that causes the misbehavior. When you have a large driver that offers pages of options, see if you can't replace it with a simple generic one from MS (even if the mouse is from a different brand). I've found that those often work better with fewer hiccups.

I think I must be missing something obvious.

True  ;D

Just Right-click on the saved query in Found Files and use Properties to change its conditions and re-run it.

I'd like to be able to specify my "Restrict search to:" selection to a manually entered location.

I think you'd have to change the 'Current Folder' value for a similar effect.

The inbuilt help is a little unclear as to what words like 'label' mean and the effects they have.

A volume label is a name that you have assigned to a drive. In the DOS days we would use the VOLUME command for that, under Windows it can be set through the drive properties.
In your first response, you say "Make sure that the drive volume labels are exactly the same as before,"

Yes, but that applies to regular local drives, not (necessarily) network drives.

From the Volume Properties popup I currently have
Drive X:\  Volume type : Network drive
Label  "xavi$"  ; Serial 261a7d3d  ;  File sys type  NTFS ; Max filename 255; 
Network \\BUFFALO\xavi$
Volume alias is blank.

Ordinarily, volume labels are shown here as 'Label', but from this, I guess that ThumbsPlus shows the share name there when it's a network drive (I do not use any network drives here, so cannot verify).

Q1: is 'label' in the volume properties always just the sharename on the NAS drive?

It might well be (or, maybe it depends on your 'Volume Matching Strategy' settings in options | Preferences | Thumbnails)

Q2: is what you refer to as 'drive volume label' the sharename  or is it what Thumbs calls 'Network'?

Neither; a volume label is a distinct drive property. However, in the case of network drives, ThumbsPlus can use their share names instead to identify drives.

Q3 : if I move the complete structure with thumbs folders  from \\BUFFALO\xavi$ to \\OTHERDRIVE\xavi$ 
       are there settings of the Preferences
       'Match network volume using share name' and 'ignore network drive labels'
       that will allow me to simply copy over and match Thumbs database to the moved data?

I think that should work, but there's another problem. When you use a network drive, the server name is also used in the drive identification/matching process. So, you'd have to name the new NAS "BUFFALO" too. OR, you could go into your database using an appropriate tool and change the server and share names into whatever they will be in your new network configuration.

But that is assuming that your current NAS would be replaced by a new one from one moment to the next. If you can just add a new NAS instead, so that both old and new are simultaneously connected, you can use ThumbsPlus to do all the copying of images from old to new and it will automatically copy the thumbnails, keywords, annotations, etc, in the database as it copies the files. Afterwards, you could remove the old NAS, delete all its (then orphaned) thumbnails from the database, and use Compact & Repair to recover the used space in the database.

It might well be a bug. Mine is set to 'one row at a time' which works as expected, but the 'use Windows' setting causes it to jump more like 2 windows at a time.

As explained, you either split the image into 4 images manually and print each one separately, or you find a program that can print an image over multiple pages (I have no recommendations there).

(having said that, if you're not a 'pixel peeper', a 2550 x 3300 image like from your example can still look pretty good on a 17x22" print).

Well, the dimensions of the digital image have no relation to the printing size (except that the print, when viewed from the same distance, will be less sharp the larger you print it).

If you want to print an image over 4 sheets, you should either use a program that lets you print on multiple sheets (not many do), or you should split the image into four images, and print each separately on a single sheet.

To split an image into 4 using ThumbsPlus, you could do this:

  • Load the original image.
  • Press Ctrl-A to select it in full.
  • Using the mouse, grab and drag one of the thin sides to 50% of the long side. for example, if the image is 800x1000 pixels, you'd grab the '800' side and drag it to where the new selection area is 800x500. Then grab the new thin side ('500') and drag it to where the selected area is 400x500 in size -- in other words, exactly 1/4th of the original image.
  • Use File | Save Selection As to save the selected quarter image.
  • Then move the selection area to another corner using either the arrow keys or the mouse (grab+drag the center of the selection), and use Save Selection As again to save that quadrant, too.
  • Repeat for the 2 remaining quadrants and then you'll have four image files, each containing a different 1/4 section of the original image. You can print each one of those onto a sheet of its own.

Note that you will need a pretty large image if you want it to look sharp when printed on such a large area! When the print is meant to be viewed from close-up, a resolution of 300 dots per inch is recommended. 200 dpi is fine for a poster-size print that hangs on a wall.  So, say you print it on four 8x11" sheets, then the total area would be 16x22 inch. For a 200 dpi print, you'd need an image that's  3200 (16x200) by 4400 (22x200) pixels in size. That's how large the original photo, scan or drawing would have to be. Enlarging that digital image wouldn't help, because enlarging doesn't increase the level of detail in the image.

Good luck!

Have you checked ?

Are you using the same type and size of images as before?

Is editing images in ThumbsPlus the only thing that is slow, or do other tasks in ThumbsPlus, or other programs, now work more slowly too?

You could try this: Exit ThumbsPlus, locate your Thumbs8.ini configuration file and make a backup copy of it. Then open it in Notepad and add this section to it:


This would disable the built-in virtual memory manager - but that will likely only make a difference if not just the editing but also the loading of image files has become slow.

(ps: This is the correct place for your question, so I have removed the cross-post from the General Discussion section)

My guess would be that you may have used File | Jpeg | Turn, which is a lossless operation that cannot be undone (the file is directly modified).

The regular Turn operations under Transform | Turn & Mirror are undoable (well, except if Undo has been turned off to save memory. In the viewer/editor, see View | Preferences | Tab:Editing | Disable Undo if that might be the case).

I have been through Preferences and Customize but can see no button for Undo/redo.

Undo/Redo are only available in the Viewer/Editor.

If that's where you were looking, try View | Customize | Tab:Toolbars and turn on the 'Edit' toolbar - that's whereyou should find them.

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