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Messages - Daan van Rooijen

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General Discussion / Re: Locating Orphans
« on: 2019-04-18 17:10:36 »
I have a 20 year old database with tens of thousands of pictures in hundreds if not thousands of folders.  Is there a way to search the entire database for orphans.

You could select a drive in the Location panel, right-click on it and turn on 'show child folders' so that thumbnails from all its folders and subfolders will be shown.

Then go to Edit | Select By | Orphans to select all orphans. Maybe from there you can add them to a new gallery, from which you can examine them and get back to them later.

Repeat this for any other drives that may have orphans.


p.s. In the Options | Preferences | Thumbnails screen, please be sure to have the "Show Orphans" setting ON and "Auto Remove Orphans" OFF.  I think those are the default values, but just in case... :)

This is hard to explain, so I think I'll just suggest to you what I would do:

1) Go to Window | Layout and choose Default Layout as a good starting point.

2) Grab the bottom-right Tasks window by its title bar and drag it towards the bottom-left Preview window. When you hover over this Preview window (with the left mouse button still pressed down), a sign wil appear that shows four arrows around a tabbed little window. Position your cursor over that tabbed window in the center of the sign and let go of the left mouse button. The Tasks panel will now join the Preview panel, and little tabs at the bottom let you switch between these views/functions. I'd click on the Preview tab to activate that view.

3) Close the big Metadata panel on the right by clicking its little 'x' button.

4) Back to the left side of the screen, hover the cursor over the divider between the Location panel and the Preview/Tasks panel, until the cursor changes shape and shows tiny up and down arrows. You can now drag the divider down so you get a larger location window and a smaller Preview/Tasks window. Put it wherever you prefer to have it.
5) Likewise, grab the vertical divider between the Location panel and the big thumbnails pane, and make the location panel smaller (leaving more space for thumbnails).

You should now have an efficient layout that shows you all the most used information, and where eveything stays at its place as long as you don't press any pins and don't drag any panels around (if you ever find yourself mistakenly dragging a panel away, you can press Esc to cancel that action).

I hope this helps! If the resulting layout is not how you wanted things to look, you can use Window | Show Panels to select the panels that you want to see, and use the methods from steps 2 and 4/5 to arrange them.

ThumbsPlus v10 Questions / Re: Strange Keyword behavior
« on: 2019-04-05 09:05:46 »
Ideas as to what happened..

None whatsoever.. I'm afraid this may be a bug that would be best reported to the developers.

I will go back and manuall re-add the keyword of day 01 thru day 09 and it WILL show up as a query field, but then I will duplicates int he image database window ( but only a single one in the Edit Keywords list , BTW)

You should be able to use Database | Edit Keywords to look up and delete those dupes.

Try Options | Preferences | Metadata | Rotate Based on XMP/EXIF Data (there's a also a sub-option to exclude Portrait oriented images).

For raw files, see Options | Digicam | General | Rotate.. and/or Options | DCRaw | Rotate Automatically (depending on which plug-in you use for raw files)

Note that a change of these settings only affects future thumbnails, not the existing ones. To see if a changed option works as expected, select an existing thumbnail and press F3 to re-make it.

That's correct. The viewer/editor (as it's called) doesn't have a Programs toolbar to which you can add external programs like the main hub does. I guess this is because you shouldn't have an image open in two different programs at the same time.

I think this only happens when the keyword already existed in your database, but this earlier occurence had different upper/lower case letters.  See Database | Edit Keywords.

the only thing that has changed in the rename is that all the images, as they reside in the source folder have lost their galleries tag, but that's unimportant since the tags are retained in my categorized galleries.

What do you mean by 'galleries tags' and where exactly do you look to see those?

You are using a very old version of ThumbsPlus, which makes it hard to offer suggestions.

When you look under Options | Preferences | General, is there an option "Allow Folder Operations"? If so, and it is off, then that explains why you could not rename files (turn it on and see if renaming files works).

Other possible reasons why files cannot be renamed include:

The file is read-only, or it is on a read-only disk (CD-ROM) or write-protected disk.
A file already exists in the same folder with the same name.
The file is on a network drive and you do not have sufficient permission to rename it.
The file is open by another application on your system, or on another system on the network.
The file doesn't exist (the thumbnail is an orphan).

Generally speaking, when you change the filenames of your images outside of ThumbsPlus (for instance using Explorer or a file manager), then ThumbsPlus can no longer match those files to their thumbnail records in its database. The existing thumbnails for these files, including any keywords and annotations, will become orphaned and you would have to thumbnail the renamed files again (and enter new keywords and annotations).

When you look up one of those renamed files in a gallery, can you still open it in the viewer from there? If so, it would seem that the thumbnail record, and its position in that gallery, are still intact.

Thanks, that's great to hear!  :)

So, that's "one down, one to go" -- I hope Mizkreant will manage to solve the speed issue on his system, too.

when i copied the images/data over to the 64bit machine is where i find the td4 was not being copied.

I don't see how this is a ThumbsPlus problem. If you are doing the copying, you are in control of whether or not that .TD4 is copied. I cannot tell you why that file wasn't copied.. at best, I can make a guess - like maybe the original td4 at the target location could not be overwritten because it was in use, or maybe you didn't have write-access to that folder. Didn't Windows (or whatever software you used to do the copying) give you an error message  that told you what went wrong?

[..]  they go just a little over 2 Gbs, then won't make thumbnails, even when large amounts of thumbnails are deleted, and orphans removed.

When you delete records from a database, they are not physically removed (otherwise that huge database file would have to be rewritten, which would take too much time). To remove them physically and actually regain space, you must occassionally run the  command Database | Advanced | Compact & Repair.

Or, instead of the default MS Accesss format database (.tpdb8), make a new database that uses the Sqlite3 format (.tpdb8s), which doesn't have the 2 GB limit.

I see..! Well, best of luck with it. When the whole procedure is over, you should have a much more responsive database.   :-)

Well out of 118,000 images in my main drive .. I  only have about 90,000 more to index with the metadata utility ..... still running after 10 hours ... another 20 to go .....

I thought you were doing this from ThumbsPlus v7?

TP7, which had the keywords and annotations in its database, which has the IPTC-editor that can transfer those to the image files, and which didn't suffer any delays? Something doesn't add up here.

I have figured out how to map Keywords and Annotations to the metadata fields that travels with the image.
Good. In TP7, the setting Options | Preferences | General | "Retain original file date/time when quick process turning or editing IPTC" will prevent that copying the keywords and annotations into the image files alters their time and date stamps in Windows.

(if that has already happened, TP7 has a command "Modify File Info" (under Image | Quick Process) that lets you set file dates to their original EXIF 'date created' date, in batches too).

But is there a way to batch getting it FROM the metadata and into the image database field (the Info Section)??
Yes, TP10 can read the IPTC keywords and Caption when it (re)creates thumbnails, and copy their contents to the Annotation and Keywords database fields (which are shown in the info section of the metadata panel). See Options | Preferences | Metadata and Options | Preferences | Keywords.

As for galleries, there's no simple mechanism to copy those from TP7 to TP10. What I've done in the past is give all images in a gallery a keyword like "GALL1". Then copy those keywords (along with any regular keywords)  into the metadata of the image files using the IPTC editor. Then, once they're cataloged in TP10, select all files that match GALL1 and put them in a new gallery (which will then hold the same files as the original gallery in TP7). This worked well but I hope you don't have hundredss of galleries :)

btw, I wouldn't expect any damage from cancelling this procedure (that is, I've never heard of anyone having his database broken this way), but obviously it's best to always have a backup.

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