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Messages - Daan van Rooijen

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The outcome of your test was entirely predictable.  That is why I asked, in my first message:  "are you consistently accessing your images through the same path (in the tree panel) as before?"


Do you still have a backup of your database from before you changed your computer? If so, you could take a copy of that database and load it using Database | Open in the menu. Be very sure that "make thumbnails automatically" is still off, and that you do not make any new thumbnails.

Then follow my earlier suggestions of searching for your keywords, to locate the original folders where the images were stored according to ThumbsPlus (or, manually browse until you find the greyed-out folders with your original thumbnails. Maybe they are in Offline Network, but they might also be in a greyed-out drive under Dieser PC). You can check the volume properties of that drive to hopefully see why it no longer matches the current situation. Maybe the drive mapping is different, maybe a volume name or drive serial number has changed, maybe a server name.. but something has definitely changed.

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The screenshots show that you have configured TP to not show the network in the tree panel, and that you are accessing the image files through a mapped drive letter, "l:".

So, a possible explanation would be that on the old computer, you did show the network in the tree panel, and you accessed the images through this Network entry in the tree.

To test this, you could turn off "Do not show the network branch" in Options | Preferences | Disks&Folders (and maybe refresh the tree, Ctrl-F5) to see if your old thumbnails can be found under 'Network'.

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I have also tested the search function. The keywords entered were recognized. In the directory "Found Files" the found images with keywords were displayed.

I am at a loss as to how to proceed.

Well, as I suggested earlier:

"When one or more files have been found, open one in the viewer/editor and do File | Go to folder. This should take you to the folder where the file with the keyword was found and now you can check if the other files there have their keywords, too."

So, what folder does it take you to?

The volume information looks good. But it's strange that your old thumbnails can also be found under Offline Network, because that would indicate that the NAS is currently down... Or that your old thumbnails are no longer recognized as being from the NAS, but again, the volume information seems to match OK.

Earlier, I also asked: "Before proceeding, could you go to Options | Preferences | Thumbnails and turn 'make thumbnails automatically' off, if it isn't already off?"

So, was 'make thumbnails automatically' on or off?

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ThumbsPlus v10 Questions / Re: Bad colors in animated gif
« on: 2021-01-07 13:03:48 »
I suspect that your sample file is corrupt or not fully compliant with the GIF89a specs.  When I use either ThumbsPlus or Irfanview to split it into frames, I get very strange results (frames with different dimensions, different parts of the image, et cetera). When I try to load it into JASC's Animation Shop or into Total Commander's viewer, they even crash.

The default background color for transparent areas is set in Options | File Loading | GIF.

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By the change on a new PC, a new PC name was assigned. In the database there is a table 'hosts' in which an 'idhost' is assigned as index to the 'host' name. Here I also find the no longer used name of the discarded PC.

Maybe this is the reason that the keywords entered in the old PC are no longer displayed in the new PC. So I would have to test if this behaves like this.

Yes -- with images that are on a network, ThumbsPlus does use the server name as one of the properties to match the image files with the corresponding thumbnail records in the database.  However, my understanding is that this would be the name of the NAS, not that of the PC.

You could go to Options | Preferences | Tab:Thumbnails and see the section 'Volume matching strategy' (lower right). When you turn 'Match Network Drives Using Share Names' off, ThumbsPlus should use the volume label of the drive instead. Maybe that will solve the problem.

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For this I would like to change the entries in the table 'host' to check this. Unfortunately I don't have an ACCESS editor. Do you know any software that can do this?

With MDB Viewer Plus you should be able to edit the fields that you see.

If the above doesn't help..:

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Here I could find the pictures by entering of different keywords set in my former DesktopPC.

So, did you go to their folder? What is the name of the volume that the images are stored on, according to ThumbsPlus? Is it shown in grey letters, to indicate that the volume is no longer present? When you right-click on that volume and choose 'Volume Properties', it will show a comparison of its physical location and its database records. Something here may explain why the database records no longer match the physical volume.

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When you look at the main screen of ThumbsPlus, there is a toolbar right above the thumbnail listing. There's an icon in it of a yellow lightbulb. When you click on that, is 'keywords' shown as 'On' there as well?

Before proceeding, could you go to Options | Preferences | Thumbnails and turn 'make thumbnails automatically' off, if it isn't already off?

I think you already know and confirmed this, but just to be 100% sure:  When images are on a NAS, there can be multiple ways to access them. For instance, by entering a UNC path, or by going through the network neighborhood, or through a mapped drive letter, or even by IP. With ThumbsPlus, it's very important that you always access your image files the same way as when you made their thumbnails. If you do not (and 'make thumbnails automatically' is on), then ThumbsPlus may show you thumbnails that do not have any keywords even though you have entered them and they are in the database. It's just that ThumbsPlus does not know that \\MyNas\Data\Images\Kids.jpg is the same file as P:\Kids.jpg. To me, this still seems to be the most likely explanation for the problem that you are seeing.

If that is not it, you could try this: Go to Edit | Find, press Clear All, set 'Restrict search' to 'Entire Database', go to the Keywords tab and press 'build list', then double-click on a suitable keyword and press OK to search for it. When one or more files have been found, open one in the viewer/editor and do File | Go to folder. This should take you to the folder where the file with the keyword was found and now you can check if the other files there have their keywords, too.

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Are you positively using the same database as before and are you consistently accessing your images through the same path (in the tree panel) as before?

Did you, from outside of ThumbsPlus, change the name of the NAS server, a drive volume name on it or the name of a folder on it?

Did you store your keywords only in the database or also inside the image files (IPTC header of JPG/PNG/TIF) ?

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ThumbsPlus Beta Discussion / Re: Update News?
« on: 2020-12-07 07:37:52 »
The latest statement dates from August and can be found here in the Beta section:

http://forum.thumbsplus.com/forum/index.php?topic=6242.msg6786#msg6786

When there's further news, I'm sure we will see it here, on the website and/or through a newsletter. I am locking this topic because there's no further useful information at this point and speculation isn't helpful.

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ThumbsPlus v10 Questions / Re: convert HEIC to JPG
« on: 2020-11-14 10:13:26 »
ThumbsPlus doesn't currently support HEIC.

Something may have gone wrong with your search, though. See here for Laura's earlier comments on HEIC:

http://forum.thumbsplus.com/forum/index.php?topic=5928.msg5982#msg5982

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I've spent the last 45 minutes trying to figure out how to Tag an image into my gallery called "Review", rather than the default (Tagged Images).

That's not possible. When you tag images, they're also put in a gallery for your convenience, but as you have found, you can't specify a different gallery than 'Tagged Images'.

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Is there a way to do this, or shall I give up and use the default?

The quickest way is probably to just tag (INS) the files one by one and then, when you're done, use Edit | Select By | Tagged (Ctrl-Alt-T) to select all the tagged files, and add them collectively to the gallery of your choice. Afterwards, use Ctrl-INS to clear the tags.

Or, try to find third party macroing software that you can use to automate the process. You would use that to record a set of keyboard and/or mouse actions (which would add the file under the cursor to the desired gallery) and assign that to a single key. This site offers some free recommendations, but there are probably more and newer options when you google around a bit: https://thegeekpage.com/17-free-macro-recorder-tools-to-perform-repetitive-tasks/

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Yes - see Options | Prefs | Disks & Folders for lots of options.


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Like it says: when you acquire a pro-level license, the watermark will be gone. There's no other way.

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Options -> Customize -> Colors

Excellent Jens, thanks!

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ThumbsPlus v10 Questions / Re: Can't get video to work
« on: 2020-07-08 15:21:40 »
Have you tried playing those videos in Windows Mediaplayer?  ThumbsPlus doesn't really play videos, it just tells Windows to do so (using the DirectShow functionality of Windows).

If your Windows system cannot play those files (except through 3d party players like VLC), have you tried..:

- to Identify the FourCC of a video that does not play correctly
- to Check which codec is handling that FourCC on your system?

Useful tools: G-Spot and Codec Tweak Tool.

On my antique system, I can use the FFDShow 'Video Decoder configuration' utility to assign FourCCs to the LibAVCodec decoder which always seems to work fine. Apparently newer systems that have the K-Lite codec pack installed use the 'LAV Video decoder' (still based on libavcodec) which may have a separate configuration tool - I don't know.

Side note: if you happen to have the Haali Media Splitter installed on your system, you may have to remove that and re-install the LAV filters or the K-Lite pack to get them to work correctly.

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It seems that ThumbsPlus things I use a lot – galleries, keywords, annotation – are connected to how I happen to be navigating to the image.

Correct. ThumbsPlus identifies images (and matches them to their record in the database) by their full path. Depending on settings, type of medium and on whether it's a network environment, these elements may be used:

 - Server name
 - Drive volume label
 - Drive serial number (CD/DVD removable media)
 - Folder and subfolder names that lead to:
 - the Filename
 - Full UNC path

(note that drive letters are NOT used!)

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I have 3 choices which until now I paid no attention to:
•   A path name starting with \\fieldcloud5\nasonly1\OURPICS...
•   A path name starting with \\192.168.1.90\nasonly1\OURPICS...
•   A path name starting with  N:\OURPICS…  (“N” is a mapped drive referring to the NAS location)

Yes. To avoid this, you have to be consistent in how you navigate to your images. Options | Preferences | Disks & Folders may help you by turning on/off some entries in the folder tree. You can make often-used long and tedious paths 'favorite folders' (Tree menu) so you can jump to them quickly.

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It appears from spot checking through the galleries, that most thumbnails there happen use the \\fieldcloud5....path name.

Hint: You can display the path underneath each thumbnail, and sort the thumbnail view on path. Use the light bulb icon and the primary sorting field in the toolbar above the thumbnail listing.

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SO:
•   Which of those methods of navigation is the best?  I thought that the mapped drive is best, since I can keep it the same and change NAS locations and configurations. But the gallery observation seems to contradict this.

I don't know if any method is always better than another, but I don't use a network myself. Theoretically one method might be faster or more reliable than the others. I think your preference for a mapped drive makes sense though.

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•   Does the answer to this depend on how I originally navigate to the database location?  i.e. are some of these relative to that?

No. The location of the database file is irrelevant. But how you navigate to an image when you thumbnail it decides where in the tree it will show up. And if you later browse to it through a different path, TP won't recognize it and won't match it to the thumbnail record that it made for it earlier. At that point you could thumbnail it again, and you'll have two records for the same image. Well, you already found that out :)

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How do I get the annotations, keywords and gallery membership information that exists only in thumbnails with other paths into those in the preferred path?

You might be able to use Access or MDB Viewer and/or Python to manipulate the database directly, but there's a simpler method. When you copy or move images around using ThumbsPlus, it will automatically update their database record to reflect the new location. So, you can use that to make all your images accessible through a single path, like this:

- First: Make sure that Options | Preferences | Thumbnails | Make Thumbnails Automatically is OFF

- Second: Make sure that you have good backups of your database and image files.

- Decide on which path you'll be using exclusively from now on. Let's call that the Master path.

- Make a new subfolder in it with a name like 'Oldpath-A'.

- Now go into the tree panel and open one of the 'wrong' old paths. Find the images (thumbnails) there that contain valuable data (keywords, annotations, user fields, gallery assignments).

 [side note: these functions may come in handy when you're finding/collecting images of interest: 'Include Child Folders' (right-click on folder name in tree) to see images in subfolders. 'Tag' thumbnails (INS or Thumbnail | Tag Selected). And Edit | Select by | Tagged. Note again that the thumbnail listing can show keywords, annotations and user fields below the thumbnails.]

- Move or drag&drop those valuable images into the OldPath-A subfolder of your Master folder. If they're in a folder structure that you want to preserve, I guess you'll have to do this on a (sub)folder by (sub)folder basis.

 [side note: of course, the master folder is the same physical location as the path from which your are moving the files. By making a subfolder and moving the images into that, you avoid that images will accidentally try to overwrite themselves]

- When done, make another subfolder there, OldPath-B, and repeat the last two steps for images that had been thumbnailed through the other wrong path.

- If any non-valuable thumbnails are still present at the old, 'bad' locations, you can select them and press Shift-Del to remove these thumbnail records from the database without deleting the actual image files. You can also do this with any non-valuable thumbnails in the Master path and its subfolders.

- When done, all your valuable images can be accessed through the master path. But you'll still want to move the ones in the OldPath-x subfolders to a different, final destination within the master path. Also, there may be non-thumbnailed images in/below the master path that you'll still want to thumbnail (and maybe assign keywords to, etc).

- After so much shuffling and deleting of records it may be a good idea to run Database | Advanced | Compact and Repair.

If you decide to use this method, it may be a good idea to start small with only one or a few files to see if everything works as expected. Good luck!

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