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All forums => ThumbsPlus v7-v9 Questions => Topic started by: R. Kasten on 2013-06-15 04:19:37
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Thumnail orientation has no effect on Slideshow, Editwindow and to external programs, only in thumbnaillist.
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Obviously, as these don't use the thumbnails at all.
-Michael
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Thumbnail rotation should transfer to the slide show, it does for me.
Editing shouldn't as you are working on the original file and has nothing to do with the thumbnail, and external programs don't read anything from TP so don't know if the thumbnail is rotated or not.
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When I use the icons in the tool bar, the thumbnail is rotated in the list.
My scale is TP7, because it works. Why be satisfied with less?
Rainer
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@ PeteW1959
Again in TP7 all views of the rotated Thumbnail (Editor, Slideshow and ext. Progs) are viewed also rotated. TP9 shows only the thumbnail in the list rotated, not more.
Rainer
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I don't have TP7 installed at the moment, so can't check how it works for me, but the TP9 way makes more sense. If you rotate the thumbnail, that is what is rotated, not the original image.
There is a seperate option under 'Quick process' which rotates the actual image, and this does transfer to the Edit window and external programs.
In summary:-
Right click - Thumbnail - Orient will rotate the thumbnail only.
Right click - Quick process - Turn.... will rotate the image.
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But this seems not the problem. The image is not changed, but the EXIF-Information contains the Orientaion, and for me the Problem can be found here.
Believe me, TP7 has not this behaviour.
The way TP9 handles this, gives no sense for me.
If you use TP9 as a frontend like I do, you will see, that the TP7-handling gives much more sense.
Rainer.
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Have you checked your setting for Options | Viewing | Other | Use database thumbnail orientation when displaying images?
Or, if you are not refering to the thumbnail orientation but rather to the image's internal EXIF orientation: have you checked your settings under Options | Preferences | Metadata Rotate based on XMP/EXIF orientation?
(There are additional rotation options in the raw plug-in settings, but those apply only to raw images).
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I got it know, the icons in the taskbar are the wrong one, i have to change them.
Thanks
Rainer
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I'm guessing based on my experiences and research regarding image orientation: the EXIF tag is given a value to indicate the camera rotation when the picture was taken. See http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/TagNames/EXIF.html
I read some apps do not open an image with the desired rotation, either the camera is an old model or the app is not looking at the EXIF tag. You would like to set the EXIF tag to "normal" and save the image to the intended rotation, meaning you mo longer have to depend on an app providing the correct orientation when opening (or TP when displaying the thumbnail).
How does that sound?
P.S. I don't work for Cerious. I'm just a PITA-type analyst.
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thats not the problem in Thumbs.
TP7 shows that it is possible without turning the original file.
Rainer
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Karsten, you still haven't made it clear what the problem is.
You wrote:
"Thumnail orientation has no effect on Slideshow, Editwindow and to external programs, only in thumbnaillist."
Do you mean:
1) ..that the viewer ignores the EXIF orientation of the image?
or:
2) ..that you have rotated the thumbnail of an image, and the viewer does not adjust the orientation of the displayed image to this rotation?
Both work fine for me in TP9.
For 1., you have to set Options | Preferences | Metadata | Rotate based on XMP/EXIF orientation
For 2., you have to set Options | Viewing | Other | Use database thumbnail orientation when displaying images
Note: If you are working with raw camera files, and you want them to be converted to the proper orientation, you should also look in the Digicam or DCRaw plug-in options.
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I'm trying to come up with a generic solution for working with orientation.
Rather than tweak TP9 to function like TP7 for a few images... and possibly breaking something else, perhaps provide a way for the user to set an image with the desired orientation and click a "reset EXIF" button to make that orientation normal.
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I use mainly JPEGs. I set the options in the same way.
The problem is, that the orientation is not passed to external programs.
TP7 can do it without modifying the original file.
regards Rainer
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Can you be more specific? How do you invoke that external program and how do you transfer the image to it?
If you have made a button for an external program and you click it to run that program with the file under the cursor, or when you open the file in external edit mode (Shift-Enter), then it is up to that program to recognize the file's EXIF Orientation tag.
When you edit a JPG in TP and save it, TP will always reset its orientation to Top-Left, so that every other program will load it the same way that you had it on your screen while editing.
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Well, I don't know the background, but I know that TP7 does exactly what I want.
Turning the image and pass it to the external programms with the changed Orientation and without touching the original file.
It works for Photoshop as well as for self written programs. (NET).
The scale is and remains TP7.
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> Well, I don't know the background, but I know that TP7 does exactly what I want.
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> Turning the image and pass it to the external programms with the changed Orientation and without touching the original file.
Please be specific. How exactly do you turn the image?
I can think of many different ways, and they all work fine in TP9 as far as I know. So please explain what you do in TP7 so that I can try to reproduce the problem.
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I do the same as I did always in TP7.
I added external programs and made icons for the toolbar. (TP7 ofcourse in the specific way)
I select image(s) in the list and click the icon.
In Tp7 they are passed in the right orientation, in Tp9 not.
I found, that the commandline for the external programms are not compatibel with WINDOWS.
Right way: Each path has to be surrended by Quotes, Pathseparation by blank.
TP9 way: each path start with a quote, the closing quote is missing.
e.g. "d:\.NET\Deslicer\Deslicer.exe "Y:\Art\Illustrator\ART 159.jpg "Y:\Art\Illustrator\ART 157.jpg "Y:\Art\Illustrator\ART 157.psd
I don't beleave that this is the reason for the orientation problem, but it shows the code procedures have been changed.
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> I select image(s) in the list and click the icon.
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> In Tp7 they are passed in the right orientation, in Tp9 not.
I don't see how there could be any such difference. All that TP does, is call that program and pass the image file as a parameter. It doesn't do anything to the file before it launches the external program.
> I found, that the commandline for the external programms are not compatibel with WINDOWS.
Good find! Has this bug been reported to Cerious?
Could it be that your external program is behaving differently because of this? It is after all receiving different command line parameters. I can't think of a different explanation..
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this bug has been reported to Cerious.
Some programs can read those crippled commandline (Photoshop), my programm, which is using the NET.commandlineargs can not. I have rewritten the routine.
But this is to special.
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Please stop this thread.
Thanks to all posters.
Yes, I am wrong, TP is right.
My apologies for the excitement that I have caused.
Rainer